Thursday, May 04, 2006

Note to Bush Admin: No More Public Q&A's

Today was a tough day for Rummy. Although he didn't face resignation calls from yet another decorated, troop hating military General, he was heckled twice by members of an audience in Atlanta. One woman spoke out by declaring, “I cannot stay silent, this man needs to be in prison for war crimes.” As she was being forcibly removed, the freedom-lovers in the crowd shouted, “get out of here!”

Another protester soon followed suit, as did a woman (and card carrying America-hater) named Patricia Robertson, who said she had lost her son in Iraq.

But that wasn’t Rummy’s biggest headache. His problem today was a man in the crowd who got to ask him some tough questions.

You’ll recall that our President isn’t the only one who doesn’t do will with live, unscripted Q&A’s, because Rumsfeld is determined to not let Bush stand in that embarrassing spotlight alone.

Today was no different.

Here’s the Transcript:


QUESTION: So I would like to ask you to be up front with the American people, why did you lie to get us into a war that was not necessary, that has caused these kinds of casualties? Why?

RUMSFELD:
Well, first of all, I haven't lied. I did not lie then. Colin Powell didn't lie. He spent weeks and weeks with the Central Intelligence Agency people and prepared a presentation that I know he believed was accurate, and he presented that to the United Nations. the president spent weeks and weeks with the central intelligence people and he went to the american people and made a presentation. i'm not in the intelligence business. they gave the world their honest opinion. it appears that there were not weapons of mass destruction there.

QUESTION:
You said you knew where they were.

RUMSFELD:
I did not. I said I knew where suspect sites were and – (this is a LIE, see below)

QUESTION:
You said you knew where they were Tikrit, Baghdad, northeast, south, west of there. Those are your words.

RUMSFELD:
My words -- my words were that… -- no, no, wait a minute, wait a minute. Let him stay one second (they tried to usher him out of the room). Just a
second.

QUESTION:
This is America.

RUMSFELD:
You're getting plenty of play, sir.

QUESTION:
I'd just like an honest answer.

RUMSFELD:
I'm giving it to you.

QUESTION:
Well we're talking about lies and your allegation there was bulletproof evidence of ties between al Qaeda and Iraq.

RUMSFELD:
Zarqawi was in Baghdad during the prewar period. That is a fact.

QUESTION:
Zarqawi? He was in the north of Iraq in a place where Saddam Hussein had no rule. That's also...

RUMSFELD:
He was also in Baghdad.

QUESTION:
Yes, when he needed to go to the hospital. Come on, these people aren't idiots. They know the story.

(PROTESTER INTERRUPTS)

RUMSFELD:
Let me give you an example.

It's easy for you to make a charge, but why do you think that the men and women in uniform every day, when they came out of Kuwait and went into Iraq, put on chemical weapon protective suits? Because they liked the style?...They honestly believed that there were chemical weapons.

Saddam Hussein had used chemical weapons on his own people previously (weapons given to him by Rumsfeld during the Reagan administration). He'd used them on his neighbor (AUDIO GAP) the Iranians (again, 20 years ago, with our blessing) and they believed he had those weapons. We believed he had those weapons.

QUESTION:
That's what we call a non sequitur. It doesn't matter what the troops believe; it matters what you believe.

MODERATOR:
I think, Mr. Secretary, the debate is over. We have other questions, courtesy to the audience.


Unfortunately for Rumsfeld, proof of his lie was not only caught on tape, but has actually become an imfamous soundbyte, and an auditory symbol of disgrace and embarrassment for this White House regarding their 100% certainty of Iraq’s WMD’s. From March 30th, 2003:

STEPHANOPOULOS: And is it curious to you that given how much control U.S. and coalition forces now have in the country, they haven’t found any weapons of mass destruction?

SEC. RUMSFELD: …We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.

Oh, who was the America-hater who dare question our government as they tried to throw him out of the room? 27-year CIA veteran Ray McGovern.

Here's the transcript of an interview he did with CNN hours after the "incident."

14 Comments:

Blogger Handsome B. Wonderful said...

Good old Ray McGovern. He was one of the great panelists on the John Conyers led impeachment inquiry.

You'll remember that was the inquiry that the Republican led Congress would only allow to take place in the basement.

That inquiry was looking into whether Bush lied to the country and was guilty of high crimes based on the now infamous British Downing Street memo. That was the memo saying the Bushies fixed the intelligence to fit their policies.

Ray McGovern rocks the free world (which use to include America).

May 04, 2006 10:48 PM  
Blogger Jeremy said...

Ahh, yes I remember the meeting in the basement for sure. I did not however know McGovern was there...I didn't know much about him until today, so I've been reading up on him a bit.

Rummy was dumbfounded when he caught him lying.

"Why We Fight" is playing in Portland - some friends and I are going soon. I can't wait.

May 04, 2006 11:15 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

OOOOOH, what a SCATHING post, Jeremy! I'm glad you referenced the Iraq-Iran war, when we decided to (all but officially) back Sadaam in his quest to annihilate the new regime (along with innocent civilians) and steal their oil.

Also, don't you love the scapegoat? "I'm not in the intelligence business. They gave the world their honest opinion." I'd knaw off my right ring finger to have somebody take some fucking responsibility at this point.

May 05, 2006 4:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you cut off the guy that followed McGovern

Rumsfeld was praised by an audience member who said he had followed Rumsfeld's career and wondered what in his upbringing had shaped his positive outlook on life.

"I guess one thing I'd say is that my mom was a school teacher and my dad read history voraciously. And I guess I adopted some of those patterns of reading history," Rumsfeld replied.

I didn't know Jeff Gannon was there

May 05, 2006 9:52 AM  
Blogger Jeremy said...

Laurie - it's just amazingly hypocritical to me on so many levels that supporters of this war justify our invasion on things Saddam did 10 years ago, with our “go ahead,” with weapons we gave him.

That would be like me selling someone a gun back in 1995, saying, “hey go ahead and use this to shoot that guy over there,” and then in 2003 saying, “hey! What did you shoot that guy for?! I’m having you arrested!”

May 05, 2006 11:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amazingly he's at 33% approval just like Bush. There should be just as much talk about Bush stepping down as there is about Rumsfeld.

What will Bush announce today at 1:45?

May 05, 2006 1:37 PM  
Blogger Kathleen Callon said...

Love this. Wish I had been there.

Finally looked at your site (not all, but some), and your pics made me homesick. Grew up in a treesy part of CT with friends like yours and used to drive up to Bangor to drink and toke by the rocks and ocean foam... the Phish pics reminded me of when I saw them in San Diego (one of the biggest tragedies of my life was going all the way to Boston from New Mexico to get there in time for the New Year's show and finding out our tickets were on a plane halfway across the country). The Funk Fest was cool, too. My father in law was sound engineer for PFunk and our old car had holes in the back seat from many phatties George had dropped...

Thanks for the walk down my memory lane. Makes me happy I'm moving to Oregon. Need trees and funky people again. Hope you have a great weekend.

May 05, 2006 2:48 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Rummy: "...Why do you think that the men and women in uniform every day, when they came out of Kuwait and went into Iraq, put on chemical weapon protective suits? Because they liked the style?...They honestly believed that there were chemical weapons."

(laughter and applause)

McGovern: "That's what we call a non sequitur. It doesn't matter what the troops believe; it matters what you believe."

Do you think the Rummy fans in the audience felt stupid after this remark?

May 05, 2006 4:54 PM  
Blogger Jeremy said...

Honest to Christ, what a jackass. That was my favorite part.

Think about the way he defended that statement!

Does he think everyone believes that the troops themselves call the shots on something as important as wearing chemical suits? In other words, did a bunch of privates - all 100,000 or so - pool their money together to buy the protective gear and collectively decide to wear it because 18 and 19 year olds were getting intelligence from the CIA that Saddam has chemical weapons?

His argument is the troops being ordered to wear chemical suits is proof that Saddam had weapons, right?

If someone tells me to go outside in a snow suit tonight for cinco de mayo , does that mean we'll get a blizzard? Can someone tell me how this man hasn't been fired or imprisoned?

May 05, 2006 5:23 PM  
Blogger pissed off patricia said...

84 Coronas?

May 06, 2006 12:56 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Looks like you're going to have to activate word verification, Jeremy.

May 06, 2006 11:34 PM  
Blogger Jeremy said...

POP, did I say 84? I meant 96.

Laurie, unfortunately it looks like it's going to come to that. I actually can't stand word verification. I can hardly make out the letters half of the time, and it just seems like a pain in the ass to take that extra step. I might give it a day or so to see where if the bot posts again...

May 07, 2006 1:32 PM  
Blogger Handsome B. Wonderful said...

I hate having to have the word verification but the bot posts were getting unbearable. Thanks for putting up with them in posting at Chez Moi.

May 07, 2006 2:11 PM  
Blogger Jeremy said...

James first of all I've been meaning to tell you that your Zack pic rules.

Secondly, yes I totally understand. The bots suck. Marketing issues from SPAM to spyware, etc are KILLING the "internets" and I wish there was much tougher legistlation cracking down on this kinda thing.

May 07, 2006 4:12 PM  

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