Thursday, July 27, 2006

Today's New Verb: Murtharize

While I've always felt accusing someone of flip-flopping on political issues simply because the person who changed their opinion happens to have nuanced thinking (or was presented with new information to which they must react and change course) is childish, I can no longer resist the temptation.

Many Republicans, decorated military Generals, and even some infamous neocons themselves have flipped, flopped and waffled their way toward more reasonable thinking, while looking back on their colleagues hanging by their fingernails onto support for the war on Iraq with perplexing confusion.

The latest to join the cut-n-run crowd of American troop haters is Representative Gil Gutknecht of Minnesota:


Rep. Gil Gutknecht, R-Minn., once a strong supporter of the war, returned from Iraq this week declaring that conditions in Baghdad were far worse "than we'd been led to believe," and urging that troop withdrawals begin immediately.

"Essentially, what the White House is saying is, 'Stay the course, stay the course,' " Gutknecht said. "I don't think that course is politically sustainable."During a debate last month, Gutknecht intoned, "Members, now is not the time to go wobbly." This week, he conceded "I guess I didn't understand the situation," saying that a partial troop withdrawal now would "send a clear message to the Iraqis that the next step is up to you."

Read on.

Gutknecht his hardly alone, as Patrick McHenry, a Republican from North Carolina commented on seeing the reality of the situation:

"It's like after (Hurricane) Katrina, when the secretary of Homeland Security was saying all those people weren't really stranded (at the New Orleans civic center) when we were all watching it on TV," said Rep. Patrick McHenry, R-N.C. "I still hear about that. We can't look like we won't face reality."


It is fair to say these and the other Republicans stepping up to the plate of reality are wobbling on Iraq due to the fact that supporting the Iraq war before the upcoming mid-term elections is getting closer and closer to political suicide, as most Americans are now seeing Iraq for what it actually is.

However, two of the most prominent architects of Neo-conservatism, without public offices to lose, have expressed their own thoughts on the war in no uncertain terms, and I thought I’d recap what both of them said a few months ago before the death toll and increasing symptoms of civil war evolved to what they are today:

Francis Fukuyama


History:
Fukuyama is an author and is influential in American economics when it comes to Free Market Capitalism. Those are his virtuous qualities. He’s one the strongest voices for the inevitable collapse of non-Capitalist governments in favor of democracies, whether or not that is done at the barrel a gun or not. He is also one of the founding architects of neo-conservatism, and a key member of the Project for the New American Century and has close ties to other neo-conservatives in that group, such as Karl Rove and Scooter Libby. He signed a letter urging president Bush to invade and occupy Iraq, whether or not there was evidence that Saddam had anything to do with 9/11.

Fukuyama’s current views on Iraq:
“Neo-conservatism should be discarded on to history's pile of discredited ideologies….By invading Iraq, the Bush administration created a self-fulfilling prophecy: Iraq has now replaced Afghanistan as a magnet, a training ground and an operational base for jihadist terrorists, with plenty of American targets to shoot at… The so-called Bush Doctrine that set the framework for the administration's first term is now in shambles…successful pre-emption depends on the ability to predict the future accurately and on good intelligence, which was not forthcoming, while America's perceived unilateralism has isolated it as never before. The Islamist Muslim Brotherhood made a strong showing in Egypt's parliamentary elections in November and December. While the holding of elections in Iraq this past December was an achievement in itself, the vote led to the ascendance of a Shiite bloc with close ties to Iran (following on the election of the conservative Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as president of Iran in June). But the clincher was the decisive Hamas victory in the Palestinian election last month, which brought to power a movement overtly dedicated to the destruction of Israel…read on.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


William F. Buckley Jr.


History: With way too many qualifiers and surnames in his identification, William F. Buckley has been a major influential force in the conservative movement since the 1950’s, and is a much more recognized name to the American publican than Fukuyama. He founded the conservative National Review publication, but before doing so wrote “God and Man at Yale” which lashed out at Yale for straying from it’s original Christian, Capitalist mission. Once in a debate with Gore Vidal regarding the
situation at the Democratic Convention in Chicago during Vietnam, Buckley responded to being called a Nazi by saying, “Now listen, you queer, stop calling me a crypto-Nazi or I'll sock you in your goddamn face, and you'll stay plastered.” In 1991 he was awarded the Medal of Freedom by W’s father. He’s a classic conservative who comes from money, privilege and opportunity.

Buckley’s current views on Iraq:
"One can't doubt that the American objective in Iraq has failed… because Iraqi animosities have proved uncontainable by an invading army of 130,000 Americans... It would not be surprising to learn from an anonymously cited American soldier that he can understand why Saddam Hussein was needed to keep the Sunnis and the Shiites from each other's throats…

The administration has, now, to cope with failure… Mr. Bush has a very difficult internal problem here because to make the kind of concession that is strategically appropriate requires a mitigation of policies he has several times affirmed in high-flown pronouncements…(read the entire article here)."


Although it is easy to pounce on these men for their abrupt about-face, I certainly applaud them and welcome them to the world of reality with warm handshake and a “we’ve been expecting you” kind of greeting.

Additionally, I think perhaps the most important thing here is to expose the juvenile and destructive behavior of most Bush supporters that continues today, and can be observed on cable news talk shows, AM radio, and any other political forum (including the comments of this very web site). Said behavior involves accusing those who don’t support continued long tours of duty in Iraq or the philosophy of the war itself of being anti-American, not supporting the troops, and rooting for America to fail in the Middle East.

It occurs to me that most Bush voters hurling those insults will not do so to the men listed above, or the countless other Republican politicians and military experts will be spared this rhetoric, unlike the John Murthas, Senator Kerrys, and Howard Deans of the world.

Honestly, this kind of political smearing confuses me. I’ve never been able to fully understand how someone who observes that Iraq is a mess and calls it a mess, is somehow helping to cause Iraq to be a mess, rather than those who want to keep our troops in the middle of the mess in the first place. Nor can I comprehend how person A, who wants our troops home and out of harms way, is actually less troop-supporting than person B, who wishes to keep them there to die for a cause of which no one is quite sure.

And, I certainly don’t understand how those who have served, such as Murtha, Kerry, Kennedy, Clark, and Cleeland, are considered less patriotic and more war-ignorant than the civilians pushing the war, such as Bush, Limbaugh, Hannity, Cheney, Rove, O’Reilly etc, all of whom have more deferments and active military duty no-shows than the invite list to a cocktail party at Ann Coulter’s house (don’t make me use the list!)

Nevertheless, it doesn’t make this kind of language any less obnoxious, off-point, or infinitely worse, a total irrelevant and inaccurate distraction from an open-thought sponsored exchange of ideas. It is almost as if those taking this position are admitting political bankruptcy, and throwing sand in the eyes of those who would distract them with facts and reality.

However, if Bush supporters continue to use one of the key defining characteristics of fascism (creating scapegoats by accusing those against military action of being unpatriotic and aiding the enemy), at least have the courage and sense of balance to throw these same accusations at one of your own. The list seems to grow a little bit each month.

18 Comments:

Blogger billie said...

excellent and timely post! i have wondered all of these things myself. how can people continue to look at the 'bush doctrine' and support it? are they simple supporting the admin out of party loyalty- and if so- where the hell does loyalty end and common sense prevail? how can anyone think that any of the "decisions" made in the last 6 years have been anything other than destructive for america? it's nice to embrace some folks from the right for a change. let's hope we can keep the momentum going.

July 28, 2006 8:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeremy, I am a peaceful person and do not believe that holding a grudge is a good idea, but I have not been able to let go of the grudge I have towards these flip floppers and here is why. For GutCheck to have his sudden reversal of opinion when he actually sees up close and personal with his own eyes what he has known all along pisses me off. Folks have to die and lose everything and he has to witness it before he gives a shit. Wow! It's like Timothy McVeigh saying, "Jeez, I really was digging on that Ryder truck and fertilizer idea right up until after it was all over and I saw it on the T.V. and saw all those people crying and then I started thinking, maybe that was a bad idea." I could never shake the hand of anyone who voted for this war or supported this war. I could just look them in the eye and shake my head and say a little prayer that they are haunted by the images of the carnage they created for the rest of their lives. Sure, they can join the peace movement, but only as a mascot for stupidity. I totally commend you, you are a better man than I.

July 28, 2006 2:59 PM  
Blogger Jeremy said...

Betmo and Karena, your comments are much appreciated, and I actually agree with what both of you are saying on certain levels.

I agree with you Betmo in that its great to see a lot of neocons…which, globally speaking tend to be the worst of the worst – jumping ship. In fact I think those who haven’t quite realized that this little democracy experiment is really not working very well are lying through their newly gold-plated, war profiteering teeth.

Karena, while I am well, well beyond forgiving those who pushed for this war (noting that Democrats are not on record voting for the war but rather voting for the authority to take military action if all diplomacy has failed, after going back to the UN for a second vote…and there is a HUGE difference between the two) I find it hard sometimes to criticize someone for not taking a stand…and when they finally do, criticizing them for that as well.

July 28, 2006 4:15 PM  
Blogger Handsome B. Wonderful said...

Unfortunately I think there are a lot of people who are willing to go down with the ship and swallow the poison caps. The worst part is that the ship is the current state of our world.

July 28, 2006 8:42 PM  
Blogger pissed off patricia said...

No sane person can look at Iraq today and see anything but disaster. If they admit it even though they supported it, they owe all those who died in it one hell of an apology.

July 31, 2006 2:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

good stuff jeremy.

July 31, 2006 9:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Colonel Ivey's parting thoughts on Iraq
www.americanthinker.com ^ | 8 03 06 | John B. Dwyer





After 30 years in the Army, Col. William Ivey is retiring, again. At his previous retirement he was Chief of Staff, US 8th Army, Korea. Col. Ivey returned to active duty so he could serve in Iraq, where he was Deputy CO, Task Force 134 for 14 months. He has kindly given us permission to publish his final assessment of the situation there.

We salute this distinguished warrior, and add our deep thanks for his long and devoted service to our country.

Al Qaida is wounded and is lashing out. Although not defeated, our operations have significantly degraded their leadership capability. They are having success in killing Shia civilians, which gives the Shia militias an excuse to murder Sunnis in retaliation. This sectarian militia violence poses the largest threat to the stability of Iraq, and therefore we are focusing much of our effort against the various militias.

Despite the impression given by much of the press, we don’t ride and walk around all day waiting to be blown up by an IED. Our intelligence enables us to conduct raids every day and every night to kill or capture specific targets, which in turn leads to more intelligence. Concurrently we are training the Iraqi Army, which is becoming quite good at accepting battlespace from us and taking the lead in the fight. We still have a number of challenges training the police. We turned over the security of the first province to the Iraqi security forces, and will steadily add provinces this fall.

Caught up in the day to day operations, casualties, and events of this fight, it is easy to become mired in the belief that we are not making progress. One has to occasionally step back from the current fight and assess how far we have come. Since my arrival in May 05, the Iraqis have written and ratified a Constitution, elected a government in a free, democratic process, and made significant progress in developing a capable Army. We have inflicted significant damage on Al Qaida and its leadership, and have prevented them from gaining the initiative. Much work has been done to rebuild the infrastructure that received no attention during Saddam’s regime.

However, we still have a tough fight ahead of us. We are focusing on disarming or destroying the militias and securing Baghdad, while concurrently continuing to pound Al Qaida. The Government leaders have said the right things, but now need to follow through with action. They must take concrete steps to unify Iraq and eliminate sectarian violence. They have about six months to get it right and show some progress. Our DOD, DOS, and DOJ advisors are working hard to make it happen.

I think it is important to remember that Al Qaida chose to fight us in Iraq, not the other way around. We are their main effort, and their senior leadership understands what is at stake in Iraq. It’s about defeating the United States and establishing a base of operations in the Middle East from which to continue their terrorist quest to establish a caliphate that reaches across North Africa and into Europe, increasing their chances for successful strikes against the U.S. homeland. America needs to wake up and understand that we have more at stake as a country in this fight than we did in WW II. Losing Iraq will provide Al Qaida a significant base of operations and the psychological edge to continue to attack America and enlist allies in their cause. Conversely, defeating Al Qaida in Iraq and establishing a democracy with an economy embracing capitalism will start to unravel the repressive regimes of the Middle East that provide the support base Al Qaida so desperately needs.

As I close out this tour, I would be remiss if I did not mention one of the great Americans carrying this fight to the enemy, GEN George Casey. In June he began his third year as the overall commander in Iraq. The continuity he provides in both defeating the enemy and building a democratic Iraq cannot be underestimated. He is shouldering a heavy burden for our country, and America owes him a heavy debt of gratitude. It was my honor to serve with him on both ends of my career. With him the entire tour has been another outstanding Soldier, CSM Jeff Mellinger, an NCO who truly exemplifies the NCO and Ranger Creeds as he moves around Iraq checking on the Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines who are doing the heavy lifting.

As I depart, I will miss the great young Americans who do our country’s tough work every day and every night. Their selfless service, dedication, teamwork, camaraderie, and humor in the face of adversity are beacons for all Americans to follow. I will miss the smile on an Iraqi child’s face when we open her new school, and the satisfaction our engineers have when they provide potable water to a village. I will miss the determination of the Iraqi people to risk death in order to exercise their right to vote. I will miss the NCO Corps, truly the backbone of our Army and the single characteristic that distinguishes our Army from every other army in the world. The NCOs guarantee us victory in every endeavor. I won’t miss the rear echelon military bureaucracy we have created to support this operation, despite the valiant efforts of outstanding staff officers and NCOs to fight through it and accomplish the mission. I won’t miss performing or attending memorial services. I thought I had attended my last one on Sunday, but we had another Soldier killed by an IED four days before I left. Losing these great young Americans has become progressively harder each of my 31 years in this business. I guess it has a cumulative effect.

We have made an astounding amount of progress in the past 14 months, and are on the edge of winning this fight. The next six months will be decisive. We will destroy the militias and continue to decimate Al Qaida. Our biggest challenge is to get this new Government to step up to the plate, begin cleaning out the corruption, and take decisive steps in securing its people. Concurrently we must help them fight the growing Iranian influence. It is a tough fight, but the Iraqis can do it as long as America does not lose its resolve. With what is at stake for us, we cannot afford to.

August 04, 2006 9:32 AM  
Blogger Jeremy said...

All of this, despite generals testifying yesterday that Iraq's intra-sect fighting is worse than they've ever seen it, and Iraq could be at the brink of civil war...and despite other generals telling us they are in fact at a low grade civil war and have been for over a year.

This is despite the fact that al Qaeda actually has so many volunteers and recruits, certain men were actually turned away by Zarqawi because they couldn't actually train them all.

This is despite the fact that since we basically left Afghanistan, the Taliban has resurfaced, and is actually growing…and by growing I don’t mean that heroin is now the main export of the country (sorry, war on drugs people) but they’re actually expanding, taking power in certain areas, fighting us in others. If you’ll remember – that was where much of the terrorism we experienced during the past 10 years developed, trained, and from where it was deployed.

This is despite the fact that we’ve actually taken a dictatorship in Iraq, and have turned it into an Iran sympathizing Shiite majority…therefore the only counter to Iran in the region is now becoming its ally, and that an actual Shia crescent has been formed in the Middle East.

This is despite the fact that the constitution of Iraq has now been written to include more fanatical Islamic doctrine from the Shiites now in power, and that there are random acts of conservative Islamic vigilante law, forcing women to wear more conservative clothing, beating people for wearing shorts in 110 degree weather, etc.

This is despite the fact that many in the Iraqi national assembly, for lack of a better name, has openly criticized our occupation, and much of the government as well as the Iraqis themselves want us to leave as soon as possible.

So yeah – there is a fight raging over there, and its getting worse. However, the clear winner seems to be…Iran.

August 04, 2006 12:52 PM  
Blogger Jeremy said...

Oh yeah...and here's part of what we've helped create in Iraq. As I heard someone say a few months ago, God bless George W Bush.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/04/iraq.main/index.html

August 04, 2006 1:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And you wonder why some people think you and people on your side of the table have chosen sides ? My goodness. It gets clearer and clearer everyday whose side you're on.

We are at War with radical Islam, and all you can do is spend your time feeding the anti-american sentiment. It's embarrassing.

Sides have been chosen in this war,a war thats been going on long before our invasion of Iraq. It's clear whose side you're on.

August 04, 2006 1:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/08/04/international/i055751D87.DTL


We left Afghanistan ? Heroin was always the main export there, nice propaganda.

You believe Zarqawi and AlQuedas word about having to turn away recruits over the wordr of the generals of your own country ?

Sides have been chosen. Your propaganda site is an embarrassment.

Mistakes were made in this war, no doubt. But to sit there and just hash them out to make your country look bad and not coming up with a plan of your own is retarded.


Something needs to be done about islamic jihadists, sorry. But you are not offering any way to solve this problem. All you are doing is making it worse for the people who want to rid the world of this problem by parroting the same anti-american sentiment out enemies are spouting.

August 04, 2006 1:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As President Abe Lincoln once said, "Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled, or hanged."

August 04, 2006 1:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and by the way, we didn't help create Muslim Hatred for israel in Iraq. That was present prior to our invasion. Our attack was not to quell that. Once again, you are off the mark on this war, the outcome, timeframe, whats at stake, whose side you're on, how to win, who you enemy is etc.......

Just keep sticking up for our enemies and proving how evil and wrong your own country is, you're doing a heck of a job.

August 04, 2006 1:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and another point of us going into Iraq was not to stop the people of Iraq from adopting their own laws. If they want to be like the rest of the middle east and adopt the muslim traditions, then so be it. Why in the hell would you use that as a crutch of how wrong we are ? They wrote this themselves, so be it. You're lost on out intentions.

Give it up. Start a revolution already. Do something. Go fight against the government you hate so much. If we are so evil, not stopping us is just as wrong. Come up with solutions, take over the Government or something. Stop being such a pansy already, and take charge. Lets see some action.

August 04, 2006 1:48 PM  
Blogger Jeremy said...

Yes, all of us who are pointing out the civil war thats breaking out in Iraq - the military generals, the people of Iraq, the leaders of the governments of different nations - all of us who are pointing out the fact that our troops are dying for no good reason, all the Middle East experts, the veterans groups, the soldiers returning home and running against the war...the 60% of Americans that are against the war, the troops themselves, 90% of which want a withdrawal plan to leave within the next 6 months, …we all hate America, and you two fascists who point the anti-American finger at anyone who sees reality..you two are the ones of love your country.

Keep up your absolutely embarrassing propaganda, and label anyone who disagrees with this war as someone who hates America. That is absolutely the text book, dictionary printed definition of fascism.

Keep it up guys. I have some Hitler speeches I'd like you to read. You sound JUST like him, and you represent a dangerous, intellectually lower, far-right, pro-fascist template of exactly what it means to limit dissent and make this country better in the face of a failing federal government.

You know what other nations have this kind of hyper-crackdown on criticizing the government?

North Korea
Saudi Arabia
Iran
China
Cuba
Syria
Pakistan

Would you like me to continue?

I’ll leave your comments up to everyone can see your philosophy…however any further comments like these will simply be deleted. Go give those verbal hand jobs to Sean Hannity’s web site if you’re going to continue to sound like those who follow him.

August 04, 2006 1:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess raging against the right implies deleting dissenting comments from your comments section. Funny how you utilize the same practices you spend so much time time trying to point out from the government.

Could you be anymore hypocritical ?

August 07, 2006 1:39 PM  
Blogger Jeremy said...

Allow me to make this a bit more clear for you.

1. Re-read a few posts up. I said knock the shit off about calling me or anyone else here un-American, supporting the Taliban, supporting terrorists, or supporting the enemy simply because we are in the majority of the American population, and overwhelming majority of the global population that doesn’t support the war in Iraq.

2. I’ve said it in the past and you continued to do it. Say anything you want here but once you start contributing to the absolute ridiculous mentality of support-Bush’s-war-or-you’re-a-traitor, then I’m going to delete what you say. I cannot control your stupidity, but I can control where you spew it, at least on my web site.

3. That is not a dissenting comment, it is not a comment that brings any intellectual discussion or anything to the table whatsoever. It;s not funny, and its not going to happen here. Take that kind of ridiculous fascist shit to the web site of our favorite Bush supporting blog, such as RushLimbaugh.com, SeanHannity.com, Ann Coulter’s web site, etc. That’s their level, that is who they are, and they’ll gladly support that point of view.

4. You have made approximately 100+ comments of dissent on this site, none of which have been deleted. I’ve even let you and others play the anti-American card before, but now I guess you’ve run out of cards. So please, spare me the “I don’t let dissenting opinions air here” battlecry.

5. And frankly, writing what I specifically told you I would delete, right after I told you not to write it, for the sole purpose of making me delete something you’ve written just so you can tell me I’m hypocritical by deleting your comment, is a little childish.

6. Government legislated censorship is quite a bit more impacting than actually deleting someone’s comment on a privately owned web site, so again, comparing my deleting something after I told you I would do so if you said it on a site with 100 visitors a day with what our Federal government and laws are doing, Constitutionally speaking, is a little absurd, no?

I’ve let you write anything you want, post entire articles when I’ve asked you to paraphrase or sample paragraphs of the article instead, and I’ve never deleted anything you’ve had to say other than specifically warning you that saying things like people who aren’t supporting Bush’s war are aiding the enemy. That is ridiculous, its counter-productive, its insulting countless Veterans who have served our country much more actively than you and I, and it’s the kind of talk that makes people feel as if they can’t voice their opinion against a corrupt government when people are dying.

If you continue to feel people are aiding Al Qaeda just because they disagree with this president, no one is going to take anything else you say seriously, so you might as well get back to the topic rather than intentionally inflame people.

August 07, 2006 3:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE UN-AMERICAN, NO ONE IS. I'M SAYING YOU SHARE THE SAME OPINIONS ABOUT OUR GOVERNEMNT AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING, AS DO OUR ENEMY.PROVE ME WRONG.

August 08, 2006 8:03 AM  

Post a Comment

<< Home